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Rob Christ | Inclusive Christianity
Exploring Bible interpretation and modern Christian faith, I am a Presbyterian USA minister who interprets the Bible in all of its messy and varied voices. I teach and preach spiritual growth to people who want an open and affirming Christianity. My social media tagline is "People say lots of things about the Bible that aren't really there." My full-length sermons and live stream are available on YouTube: @robchrist8999 and @edmondspresbyterian132 Contact me at: epc-pcusa.org, pastorepc@fron ...
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Welcome to Real Talk: Real Estate Discussions with Andrew Kirsh. In each episode of Real Talk, Andrew interviews industry leaders. We'll hear their real-time opinions on today's market, their background and unique career highlights, and guidance for newcomers to the industry.
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Affirming Christianity: Essential Inclusivity in Ministry
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31:15Send us a text As veterans of the church culture wars, the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA ministry) has witnessed significant transformations over the past several decades. Despite some critics blaming the Church's 40% membership decline largely on its affirmation of LGBTQ people, this episode explores how deeper historic conservatism and slow adaptati…
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From Data to Deals: Leveraging Technology to Scale a Shopping Center Portfolio with Sandy Sigal
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51:36In this episode of Real Talk, we discuss leveraging technology to scale a shopping center portfolio with Sandy Sigal, President and CEO of NewMark Merrill Companies. We discuss: • Using technology to support and retain tenants • The Strategy behind becoming the dominant neighborhood center • Why retail is thriving in a post-COVID world Learn more a…
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You Are Enough and It Will Be OK: An Affirming Christianity Inclusive Year-End Homily
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11:41Send us a text In this heartfelt and affirming year-end homily, based on Titus 2:11-14 and Isaiah, we explore themes central to affirming Christianity and the inclusive nature of God's salvation. As a PCUSA ministry, this sermon emphasizes that the love and salvation offered through Jesus Christ is meant for everyone — not just a select few. The bi…
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Mary's Role and Power in Matthew 1:18-25 | Affirming Inclusive Christianity
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40:10Send us a text In this episode, we dive into Mary’s central but often misunderstood role in Christianity, exploring the themes of affirming Christianity and inclusive faith perspectives. While traditional views focus on Mary's purity, both Catholic and Protestant interpretations often miss the deeper significance of her story. Struggling with the d…
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Beautiful Worship and Inclusive Liturgy with Rev. Jeff Sievert - Affirming Christianity Insights
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56:13Send us a text In this insightful episode, I welcome my longtime friend and mentor, Rev. Jeff Sievert, a respected leader within the PCUSA ministry known for his commitment to inclusive Christianity and affirming worship practices. Having been my pastor and guide for 25 years, Jeff shares his extensive experience designing beautiful, liturgical wor…
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The Future of the Emergent Church: Hope and Challenges in Inclusive Christianity
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49:34Send us a text In this episode, we explore the trajectory of the Emergent Church movement within modern Christian faith, examining its promises, challenges, and ongoing relevance. As an affirming Christianity and PCUSA ministry perspective, we discuss influential voices like Diana Butler Bass, Brian McLaren, and Phyllis Tickle, alongside the rise o…
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Ego Death and the Cross: Exploring Kenosis and Spirituality in Christianity
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36:57Send us a text All major religions explore the concept of ego death, or transcendence, with Buddhism being a clear example. Within the context of affirming Christianity and inclusive Christian theology, this idea is foundational and deeply present in the writings of Christian mystics over centuries. In this episode, we delve into the concept of ken…
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Leaving a Legacy Through Real Estate and Philanthropy. My Conversation with Mark Weinstein, Founder of MJW Investments
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45:09In this episode of Real Talk, we discuss leaving a legacy thrureal estate and philanthropy with Mark Weinstein, Founder of MJW Investments. We discuss: How his first sizable deal included a jail, ahotel and livery stable Investing in Downtown Los Angeles in the 1990s Building a legacy thru real estate andphilanthropy Learn more about Mark Weinstein…
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Theology of Nonsense: Questioning Systematic Theology and Calvinism - Affirming Christianity Insights
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39:28Send us a text In this episode, we deeply explore the challenges of systematic theology and the problematic aspects of Calvinism. As an advocate for affirming Christianity and inclusive Christian faith, I share my skepticism about traditional theology, especially how it can sometimes be used to control rather than uplift believers. Drawing on influ…
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The Temple of the Heart: Bible Interpretation and Modern Christian Faith in Luke 21:5-8
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37:57Send us a text Explore the importance of the temple in the biblical narrative and its impact on modern Christian faith in this episode of the Affirming Christianity Podcast. Discover how the temple's role shaped Judaism and how Jesus' prophetic words in Luke 21:5-8 reflect the spread of the Jesus movement beyond Jerusalem. As a Presbyterian USA min…
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Understanding Love in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 – Affirming Christian Perspectives
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32:36Send us a text Affirming Christianity invites us to explore the true meaning of love through the lens of 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. This episode unpacks how Bible interpretation of this key passage reveals the heart of an inclusive Christian spirituality that often contrasts with exclusive or manipulative understandings of love. We discuss the impact of…
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The Only Way Out is Through with Charmella Williams
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54:23Send us a text Welcome to the Real Bible Rob podcast. I am delighted to welcome Charmella today. She speaks on TikTok about American history, religion, race, and politics in such an insightful way. What really caught my attention was her realism about our moment coupled with a sense of optimism. With all the terrifying changes we are going through,…
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From Japanese Foreign Affairs to Disneyland Paris to Owning Hotels with Heather Turner
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51:49In this episode of Real Talk, we go from Japanese Foreign Affairs to Disneyland Paris to Owning Hotels throughout the US with Heather Turner, CEO and Co-Founder of Tamarack Capital Partners. We discuss: • How Heather was negotiating strategic Japanese foreign affairs at 22 years old • Where to focus capital to get your biggest returns in hotels • T…
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The Jesusing of Hate, Luke 18:11 and 19:10
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38:44Send us a text I have been shocked at how Jesus has been used in recent years to cover hate. I recently said, "The Jesusing of Charlie Kirk is neither about Jesus nor Charlie Kirk." His assassination and raising him to be a martyr is completely genuine for some and completely cynical for most. And we know this by how Christian nationalists have lat…
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Spiritual Warfare is Non-Violent Resistance in Ephesians 6:5-17 and Hebrews 4:12
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42:21Send us a text The "gospel of peace" in Ephesians 6:15: How can this sit in the midst of descriptions of weapons and warfare? This is the paradox of Spiritual Warfare. It is not against flesh and blood but it is against rulers and principalities. It is ideas over brute force. I go in and out of love for various scriptures. I spent years fighting ag…
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Don’t fear Satan: 1 Chronicles 21:1 & Job 1:5
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38:42Send us a text The best antidote for a nightmare is to turn the lights on. When you screamed in the middle of the night, nothing was more comforting than mother coming in cradling you in her arms. We’ve been living with a 2400 year long nightmare of Satan and devils. It’s time to turn the lights on and dispel the myths that have propped up religiou…
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Real Estate Speed Dating with Kevin Donner, Executive Vice Chairman of Newmark
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46:04In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Kevin Donner, Executive Vice Chairman of Newmark, a leading commercial real estate advisor and service provider to large institutional investors, global corporations, and other owners and occupiers. We discuss: * State of West Coast markets * How cost of capital is only one component when analyzing a deal …
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Rapture Abuse, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 & Acts 8:39
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43:19Send us a text There's a common question among pastors: "What's the most unbiblical thing your congregation believes is biblical but isn't?" Some are quite funny, but I think the most harmful one is the Rapture. It is a theology developed by John Nelson Darby in 1833 based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the Greek word "harpazo." Modern dispen…
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From Real Estate Private Equity to Debt and Equity Intermediary with Louis Friedel
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54:07In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Louis Friedel, Senior Managing Director of Berkadia. We discuss: * The keys to a successful joint venture partnership * Why Louis chose to go into brokerage and why Berkadia * Louis’ epic memorabilia collection Learn more about Louis Friedel: * Connect with Louis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lo…
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Send us a text Einstein famously said, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." This is a topic I am comfortable with. Why? Because I studied Thermodynamics and Randomness in college and I have been pondering it ever since. If you know how these work in biology and nature, then you quickly realize that all the arguments o…
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Summiting Mt. Everest with Matt Ferrari, Co-Chief Investment Office of TruAmerica
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35:19Watch Part 1 of my conversation with Matt Ferrari: https://youtu.be/1-kcdxmbgQs In this episode of Real Talk, I conclude my conversation with Matt Ferrari, Co-Chief Investment Officer of TruAmerica, a national, institutionally focused commercial real estate investment firm specializing in the acquisition and repositioning of value-add multifamily p…
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How the Buddha saved my faith in Jesus
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40:48Send us a text One way to tell how people approach religion is to express your admiration for another belief. I certainly admire Judaism, not just in the way of supersession like more Christians, but as a way of getting to know God. Over the years I have become much more aware of Islam and more recently Hinduism. But none of these impacted me like …
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From Fixing Rusty Pipes to C-Suite. My Conversation with Matt Ferrari, Co-Chief Investment Officer of TruAmerica (Part 1)
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44:47In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Matt Ferrari, Co-Chief Investment Officer of TruAmerica, a national, institutionally focused commercial real estate investment firm specializing in the acquisition and repositioning of value-add multifamily properties. In part 1 of our conversation, we discuss: * His days at Archstone where Matt got his ha…
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Through Her Eyes with Rev. Rebecca Craig
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54:18Send us a text I'm excited to welcome Rev. Rebecca Craig to the Real Bible Rob podcast today! Rebecca is a pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, an Artist, and an Author. She has a terrific new book called "Through Her Eyes" telling the stories of women in the Bible in a creative new way. It gives a narrative of 26 different women f…
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Why is Galatians about Freedom? With Rev. Adina Meyer
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44:48Send us a text My New Testament professor Dr. Nijay Gupta has written much about Galatians and is endlessly fascinated by Paul's letter. I didn't exactly understand why this angry letter was so important. Like many Christians, I usually favored Ephesians and Philippians, maybe Timothy, but Galatians? Why? It is pivotal as an early window into the f…
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Exposing Harmful Fundamentalists, The Case for Optimism
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32:35Send us a text Something’s seriously wrong with America and we all know it. What was the long path toward equality of men and women, of the races in civil rights, of religious people integrating progress into theology has faced ever-increasing headwinds. In many ways we can rejoice especially when we remember how women and minorities were treated i…
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Buying Middle Market, Value-Add Office Buildings…My conversation with Paul Miszkowicz and Justin Loiacono, Principals of Harbor Associates
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45:40On this episode of Real Talk, I speak with with Paul Miszkowicz and Justin Loiacono, Principals of Harbor Associates. Harbor Associates specializes in acquiring, renovating, operating, and selling commercial properties throughout Southwestern U.S. markets. We discuss: * State of the office market * Sourcing capital for office deals * Name recogniti…
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The Truth about King James and Protestantism
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43:58Send us a text Let's talk about 17th century England. Why? Because so much about American Protestant beliefs and culture come from it. The King James Bible was a political stake in the ground. The Westminster Confession was an Act of Parliament during the English Civil War. It was a compromise between Anglicans and Presbyterians to oppose radical P…
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Is God warm hearted or cold hearted? Jeremiah 42:10 and Isaiah 40:1
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21:03Send us a text Does God express emotions? This is a more central question than it seems. It’s a significant clue to how you see the sovereignty of God, whether God changes, and whether God is affected by prayer. If God shows the emotion of regret, does that mean God is weak? To illustrate these differences, I do a deep dive into two verses that fea…
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Assisting Borrowers When They Are Underwater—My Conversation with Michael Cohen, Managing Partner of Brighton Capital Advisors, LLC
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41:11My Conversation with Michael Cohen, Managing Partner of Brighton Capital Advisors, LLC. Michael Cohen founded Brighton Capital Advisors to assist Borrowers through the complexities of CMBS, Bank and Life Company commercial mortgage servicing. We discuss: - How Michael can help Borrowers - When Borrower should reach out to Michael - What Borrowers s…
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Great Approach to Bible Reading with @LiterallyTheBible Elle
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57:54Send us a text Today I am excited to welcome Elle, who goes by @LiterallyTheBible on TikTok and YouTube. She is reading the Bible from cover to cover as a non-religious gal. Her approach to Bible reading chapter by chapter is so insightful and refreshing. I've been really impressed with her analysis, her questions, and her response to comments. I t…
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From Parking Meter Technician to Owning a Portfolio of Multi-Family Assets Worth $500mm
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32:08My conversation with Alex Rozenfeld, Founder of Freshwater Investments. We discuss: - When immigrating to the U.S. from Ukraine, did he ever think he would own $500mm of real estate? - What he needs to see in order to acquire multi-family properties again - Which mid-western cities he likes to own real estate in Learn more about Alex Rozenfeld: - R…
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Revelation Queerness with Professor Lynn Huber
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52:01Send us a text I am thrilled to welcome Dr. Lynn Huber, Professor of Religious Studies at Elon University and an expert on the Book of Revelation. I have been following her on TikTok, and I was intrigued by her commentary about queer perspectives on Revelation. She brings a sense of excitement and love for the book, which many people approach with …
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The Harm of Replacement Theology, Hebrews 8:6-13
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44:01Send us a text Christians love Replacement. Replacing Judaism with the New Covenant. Replacing the Jewish people as the Chosen people of God. Replacing Islam in the Holy Land during the Crusades. In America, replacing indigenous people with white Christian people. Replacing native religions around the world with missionaries. Lately, replacing the …
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Thriving in Distressed, Complex Deals with Andrew Gindy, Founder of Range Equity Management LP (REM)
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44:37In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Andrew Gindy, Founder of Range Equity Management LP (REM), a private investment platform headquartered in Los Angeles exclusively focused on operational real estate opportunities. We discuss * Return expectations for JV capital * What makes successful JV partnerships * Why he focuses on operating asset cla…
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Striving to be saved? Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:24
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27:21Send us a text People use the narrow gate metaphor that Jesus used in the Sermon on the Mount to feed their persecution complex and to exclude others. I frequently come across egregious misrepresentations of these passages. Often spoken with cult-like intentions, it is always meant to instill fear. Was this Jesus's intent? Was he using fear to enco…
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Physical Digital Church, Interview with Skeptic Pastor Jeremy Steele
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52:02Send us a text I am delighted to welcome Jeremy Steele to the podcast today. I love his content on TikTok so much. He reached out to creators with podcasts. I jumped at the chance to interview him, and he graciously agreed! Church attendance statistics are notoriously difficult to decipher, but people latch onto the latest reports as signs of a tur…
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From College Tennis Player to Pickleball Champion to Best in Class Real Estate Investor with Jeff Karsh, Founder of Tryperion Holdings
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44:10My conversation with Jeffrey Karsh, Founder of Tryperion Holdings We discuss: * How Tryperion is a value real estate investor agnostic to asset class capital stack placement * Buying core plus assets but make value add returns * Why he evolved his fund from purely credit to special situations * Whether Jeff is the #1 Pickleball player in the real e…
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War on Empathy, 2 Corinthians 1:3-7, Psalm 103:13
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37:15Send us a text How can you justify cruelty as a Christian? It has a very long tradition, from the Crusades to Slavery and Jim Crow to Mass Deportations today. These were all and are still perpetuated and justified by Bible believing Christians. This justification and hypocrisy is the main critique of Christianity. How can a religion that exhorts lo…
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From College Football National Champion to Real Estate Private Equity — My Conversation with Aaron Greeno, Co-Founder of Arselle Investments
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47:42In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Aaron Greeno, Co-Founder of Arselle Investments. We discuss: * Arselle’s strategy for transacting in today’s market * The types of operators that are appealing to Arselle * Whether there will be disintermediation of capital allocators * Winning a National Championship in College Football with the Universit…
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Always Reforming is Now! The Church must reform again
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35:51Send us a text The Church is in desperate need of Reform. Which direction should we go? Rediscovering doctrines of the past? Reforming our doctrines for a new era? There is a lot of disagreement about what is needed. I argue that we must do both. The motto of the Presbyterian Church USA is "Ecclesia Reformata Semper Reformanda" which is Latin for "…
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Does God Change?, Exodus 32:14, Jeremiah 18:8-10
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30:00Send us a text Whenever you ask whether God changes or that God learns, It is usually met with a resounding "No!" But then you must ask, what is the point of prayer? When you look at scripture, it says explicitly many times that God changes. "But God knows everything" goes the reasoning. So most people have to do logical backflips to make omniscien…
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Reject Abusive Father Theology: Romans 8 is Freedom Not Slavery
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39:08Send us a text For many Romans 8 is the essential chapter for understanding God’s purpose in the Gospel message. While I don’t think that was necessarily Paul’s purpose to be all-encompassing, it can be a great guide for us. N.T. Wright has said, that if he had only one chapter of the New Testament to take with him, it would be Romans 8. Unfortunat…
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Send us a text The book of Romans carries so much theological weight that it’s hard to see Paul’s reasoning and technique through it. Fortunately, there’s been a wealth of new scholarship and research on it that it’s freeing the text from its Lutheran and Calvinist shackles. You can spend a lifetime diving into details but I will focus on three are…
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Is Esther the most Romantic Book of the Bible?
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50:42Send us a text Today I have a special guest Maria Hearing. Maria is a dear friend, classmate, teacher, Hebrew reading partner, and leader. Maria has done deep research on the book of Esther, and she has written scholarly papers on the narrative and genres of the story. The story is foundational to the myth of the Jewish nation, but it also tells us…
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Phony Originalism in Christianity: History or Myth
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38:23Send us a text Do you have an image of a traditional past that was better? Kids respected their parents. People had manners. They respected the law. Neighbors watched out for each other. Not like these wicked times, so the reasoning goes. It seems harkening to a mythical part is an innate part of being human. Since religious people strongly tend to…
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Transacting Coast to Coast with Mark Silver, Co-Founder of Bold Partners and Sunday Capital
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48:54In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Mark Silver, Co-Founder of Bold Partners and Sunday Capital. We discuss: * Why after several years of doing deals in New York he came out to LA to buy apartment buildings * His “Rule of 4” * How cities should look to the resurgence of San Francisco as a play book on how to recover * Two types of buyers tod…
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Slavery is still with us, Leviticus 25:42-46 & Colossians 3:22-4:1
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38:51Send us a text Slavery drives Christian thought far more than you realize. It has never left us. Imagine for a moment being on a plantation as a child. Slavery requires the crushing of empathy. Much of what we’ve seen in the last 400 years in the west was the use of theology to excuse the massive brutality and hypocrisy of colonialism. Presbyterian…
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Exploring Smaller Balance Loans with Jan Brzeski, Founder of Sage Credit Investment Partners.
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43:29In this episode of Real Talk, I speak with Jan Brzeski, Founder of Sage Credit Investment Partners LLC (SCIP). SCIP, based in Durham, NC, operates primarily in North Carolina and California, specializes in non-bank Business Purpose Loan/Residential Transitional Lending (BPL/RTL). SCIP provides senior-secured, short-term loans (approximately two yea…
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Penal Substitution is not the Gospel, Romans 3:9-26
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45:28Send us a text Asking "What is the gospel?" is surprisingly controversial in some quarters. Most people believe the gospel is the radical love of God in the person, death, and resurrection of Jesus. But that’s not enough for many others. They insist that Penal Substitutionary Atonement theory defines the Gospel. This was not true for the majority o…
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