Enter the Boardroom lifts the veil on the secretive world of boards, giving you the information you need to get more board roles and become better board members. Join Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings as he sits down with the extraordinary people shaping today's and tomorrow's boardrooms.
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In-depth interview podcast with leading corporate governance experts, including world-class founders, scholars, board members, executives, investors and more. The content is structured as a long-form conversation to explore not only the latest corporate governance trends, but also to get some personal insights from some of the best and brightest minds behind America's boardrooms.
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Hello! We're Liz & Leila Willingham and welcome to "It Runs In The Family". We're the mother and daughter duo working within the public relations and communications agency, Liz Lean PR. Running a business is hard - really hard. Every business has its challenges and it's own ups and downs - but in a family business, this is often exaggerated by the willingness to speak your mind. But it also has some huge advantages that the corporate cultures just can't compete with. In this podcast, featuri ...
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91. Lord Mervyn Davies - Navigating crises in the boardroom
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Lord Mervyn Davies is Chair of LetterOne, the LTA, Glyndebourne Opera and a variety of high growth companies and SID at Teneo. Formerly, he was a Labour peer and Minister of State and CEO of Standard Chartered plc. As Standard Chartered CEO, was the board a help or hindrance? (1:42) What are the key lessons you’ve learnt from mentors? (3:03) What w…
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The Heart Behind Headhunting with Nurole’s Susie, Ned and Oliver Cummings #96
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Susie Cumming’s first venture into headhunting unveiled an awareness of the greatness that could be achieved when the whole family combines their skills… Combining her entrepreneurialism with the creativity and analysis of sons Ned and Oliver has brought such success to their business Nurole, now under 2nd generation leadership! The skills, the dyn…
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Valeria Café: Leading Governance Innovation in Brazil as IBGC CEO
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Barry Lawson Williams: Addressing Board Refreshment—"the Most Pressing Issue in Corporate Governance Today"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:26) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:13) Start of interview. (3:03) Barry's origin story. (7:00) Barry's board journey. (9:39) On distinctions between serving on public and private company boards: "you have the same fiduciary duties." (11:57) Evolution of boards in the last 30-40 years: "the…
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Vicky Gosling is Chair of GB Surfing, Board Director at the British Olympic Association, Board Member at Invictus Games UK, and CEO of GB Snowsport. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What was your strategy for developing such an elite program at GB Snowsport, given the lack of resources? (0:48) How did you do things differently to your competitors? …
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Boardroom Diversity and the Black Corporate Board Readiness Program
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(0:00) Intro. (1:25) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:11) Start of interview. (2:56) Zain Oke's origin story. (5:08) Dianna Jones's origin story. (8:25) Dennis Lanham's origin story. (12:00) How executive education works (as opposed to degree conferring programs) (14:22) On the origin and mission of the Blac…
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89. Mary Ann Sieghart - How women are taken less seriously than men, and what boards can do about it
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Mary Ann Sieghart is SID at Pantheon International plc, Remco Chair at Guardian Media Group and best-selling author of The Authority Gap. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What is the authority gap? (0:56) What would you say to those who challenge the idea women are taken less seriously than men? (2:15) Why should men close the authority gap, apart …
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Maggie Wilderotter: Strategic Oversight and the Attributes of Great Directors
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Why You Should Build a Purpose-Driven, Selfless Business with Millwood’s Co-Owner, Matt Wood #95
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Millwood is the only, and therefore the #1 B Corp in its field. For most, that’d be the dream, but Co-Owner Matt Wood wishes for the opposite… That might sound counterintuitive, but for a business leader whose drive is purpose and impact (as with so many family firms), it reflects a dream synonymous with his values. The 31 year story behind this in…
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88. Cedi Frederick - Building a board portfolio: housing association & NHS trust boards
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Cedi Frederick is Chair of NHS Kent & Medway and the Centre for Healthy & Empowered Communities, and NED at Sage Homes and Impact Healthcare REIT plc. Tune in to hear his answers to: What does work on a housing association board involve? (0:47) Practically, how does the Sage Homes board add value? (4:50) What risks do you worry about most on Housin…
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Peter Gleason: CEO of NACD on 2024 Board Practices and Oversight Surveys – Trends and Takeaways
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87. Isabel Fernandez-Mateo - Rejections & professional relationships in the boardroom
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Dr Isabel Fernandez-Mateo is a professor of strategy and entrepreneurship at London Business School, where she holds the Adecco Chair. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: What have you learned about rejections that those involved in board hiring should be aware of? (0:53) Have you noticed any demographic differences? (3:11) What are the practical impl…
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The Family Flavour Behind The Avenue Cookery School’s Life-Changing Classes with Diana Horsford, Richard Horsford & Sophie Shalgi #94
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The Avenue Cookery School has left its imprint on countless aspiring chefs, thanks in no small part to the full force of the Horsford family behind it. Diana was joined by her children Richard and Sophie, who have elevated the school to new heights, and for a family with such energy, it’s a joy to explore their equally enrapturing journey in this w…
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86. Dan Gardner (part two) - how boards get big things done
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Dan Gardner is the international best-selling author of Superforecasting, How Big Things Get Done, Risk and Future Babble. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: What are the key things boards need to get things done on time, within budget? (1:06) Can you explain how board members can “build with lego”? (4:25) What would you say to boards that don’t have…
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Cedric Bru: CEO of Taulia (now part of SAP) on Boardroom Dynamics and the Value of Teamwork
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85. Dan Gardner (part one) - superforecasting and fat tail risks
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Dan Gardner is the international best-selling author of Superforecasting, How Big Things Get Done, Risk and Future Babble. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: What are the key insights from Superforecasting for board members? (1:15) Can you expand on the idea of probabilistic thinking? (10:00) Practically, how can board members apply concepts like epi…
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Yvonne Wassenaar: On Boardroom Dynamics and Trends from Silicon Valley
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(0:00) Intro. (1:03) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:50) Start of interview. *Reference to E137 with Coco Brown (CEO of Athena Alliance). (2:47) Yvonne's origin story. (5:49) Her executive career starting with Accenture, and later with VMware, New Relic, and CEO of Airware and Puppet. (9:03) On her board jo…
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84. Sir Nigel Rudd - A Chairman’s Tale
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Sir Nigel Rudd is former/Chair of Pendragon plc, Pilkington, Invensys plc, Heathrow Airport, Business Growth Fund, Signature Aviation plc and Meggitt plc. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: Are listed boards entrepreneurial enough? (1:15) Why has private equity superseded conglomerates? (3:08) Should board members have skin in the game? (5:40) How do…
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Building on the Legacy of a Century-Old Brand with Company Director of Stackers, Chloe Pestell #93
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4 generations have seen a clock business with royalty among its customers become an iconic household name, and it’s Chloe Pestell at the helm of the 102 year old brand. Stackers was born of parent company LC Designs, and with so much of Chloe’s family involved, it’s a fascinating dynamic that we’re able to explore in this week’s episode of It Runs …
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Javier Saade: From Capital Formation to Governance, plus his Top of the Game
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83. Lucy Walker - Chairing investment trusts & building a non-exec portfolio
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Lucy Walker is Chair at Aurora Investment Trust plc, SID at Henderson International Income Trust plc, Audit & Risk Committee Member at SportsAid and Founder at AM Insights. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: Why did you build a non-exec portfolio so early in your career? (0:34) How have different kinds of pro bono roles helped you in your non-exec ca…
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Finding Power in Purpose with Humanness’ Co-Founders, Quinn Stainfield-Bruce and Duncan Bruce #92
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There is no traditional dynamic between the Co-Founders of Humanness, but the way the father-son duo thrive together is an extraordinary story. With a strive for purpose and contentment at their core, Quinn Stainfield-Bruce and his father, Duncan Bruce, have a unique outlook on the family business world brimming with mantras that’ll change your per…
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82. Suranga Chandratillake - Startup boards and investor directors
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Suranga Chandratillake OBE is General Partner at Balderton Capital, where he sits on nine portfolio company boards, Advisory Board Member at Cambridge University Endowment Fund and Founder of Blink, which he took public and achieved a market cap of $1bn. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: What role did the board play in your highs and lows as a Found…
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81. Rebecca Robins - Next Generation Boards
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Rebecca Robins is Founder & CEO of a consultancy at the intersection of brand, culture and leadership, lecturer at Cambridge University, advisor at Chartered Management Institute and Quilt.AI, and former NomCom Chair at EY Foundation. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: Can you summarise what you see as the five generations opportunity? (0:57) What ca…
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Carol Hansell: Insights on Modern Governance
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(0:00) Intro. (1:10) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:57) Start of interview. (2:30) Carol's origin story. (4:34) Evolution of corporate governance in Canada since the late 1980s. (5:51) The origin and focus of her firm Hansell McLaughlin Advisory Group, based in Canada. (10:13) On her personal board career …
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80. Evan Epstein - Governance disasters: cautionary tales from Silicon Valley’s boards
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Evan Epstein is host of the Boardroom Governance podcast, #1 governance podcast in the US, executive director at the Centre for Business Law, adjunct professor at University of California Law and founder and managing partner at Pacifica Global. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: What are your top five insights from your podcast guests? (0:54) What le…
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Improving on Perfection Between Every Generation with Sustainit Solutions’ CEO, Pip Stockford #91
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Sustainit Solutions exists thanks to the forward-thinking nature of its Founder - no wonder its 2nd gen CEO is just as cognizant of the family firm’s future… Pip Stockford is this week’s special guest, and as one of the first families to spot the need for sustainability in business, we learn what makes them tick! Join us on ‘It Runs In The Family’ …
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Oliver Cummings: Unlocking Boardroom Excellence - Insights from Nurole's CEO
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(0:00) Intro. (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:07) Start of interview. (2:58) Oliver's origin story. (7:00) His experience in private equity with PE-backed boards. (9:57) About the mission and focus of Nurole, the UK-based board search firm where he serves as CEO. (12:27) On Nurole's network of 65,000…
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79. Priya Guha MBE - Board opportunities: a comparison of listed, government, start-up, charity and advisory board roles
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Priya Guha is a venture partner at Merian Ventures, NED at Herald Investment Trust, Digital Catapult, and Reach plc, and Chair of the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry in the UK amongst many others! Tune in to hear her thoughts on: Why have you built your portfolio career? (2:34) What were the biggest challenges of moving into …
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The Complicated Art of Succession Planning with Frettens Solicitors’ Matthew Fretten #90
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Nothing can test a family bond quite like being in business together, a gauntlet run by the two generations who’ve helmed Frettens Solicitors. Matthew Fretten is a Managing Partner whose path saw him join his father’s firm (the manner of which is a point of contention between the pair…), and the business’ journey has been far from simply smooth sai…
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Thompson Paine (Anthropic): "The Potential of AI Technology is Massive"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:05) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:52) Start of interview. (2:28) Thompson's origin story. (3:42) His startup work at Quizlet (joined a 5 person team) and Stripe (from 2k to 8k employees). Joined Anthropic in early 2023. (6:25) On China-US relations, and the course he teaches at Vanderbilt…
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78. Jim Strang, HgCapital Trust Chair - Investment Trust Boards: managers, risk, valuations & discounts
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Jim Strang is Chair at HgCapital Trust, Adjunct Professor at London Business School, Senior Advisor at Bain & Company, Verdane and CVC Capital Partners, and NED at Pictet Alternative Advisors and BGF Group. Tune in to hear his thoughts on: How does the HgCapital Trust board add value? (2:18) Where do your interests/risk appetites potentially diverg…
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77. Dr Geoff Smart, ghSMART Founder - How to hire board members and CEOs
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Dr Smart is Chair and Founder of GH Smart, a global leadership advisory, which has published three bestselling books: Who? A Method for Hiring, The CEO Next Door, and PowerScore. Tune in to hear his answers to: Where do boards go wrong with hiring? (0:57) Why do boards continue to over-rely on gut feelings and referrals? (2:36) How can boards embra…
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Natasha Allen: Navigating AI Regulation, Exits, and Boardroom Challenges
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(0:00) Intro (1:20) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:06) Start of interview. (2:37) Natasha's "origin story." (6:25) On the risks and opportunities for AI. (8:39) On the regulatory landscape of AI in the US. Reference to President Biden's Executive Order. (11:40) On California's regulation of AI (SB 1047). (…
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76. Paul Pester - Hard & soft impact: economics, culture and detail in the boardroom
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Paul Pester is Chair at Tandem Bank, NED at National Bank of Bahrain and former CEO of Virgin Money and TSB Banking Group. Tune in to hear Paul’s thoughts on: Where did the Virgin Money board add most value to you as CEO? (2:07) Can you talk about the rotating Chair concept? (3:44) Where could the board have added more value to you? (4:52) How did …
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Love in Every Bottle: The Care in Crafting a Family Firm with G&I Spirits Group’s Simon & Gina Duke #89
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If you could bottle up the ingredients to entrepreneurship, it’d be best sold in the loving, careful hands of Simon & Gina Duke… The mentality passed down through the Duke family is so key to the success of G&I Spirit Group, a multinational family firm where they still commit to having ‘a little love in every bottle’. Simon & Gina’s journey is utte…
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Tyler Shultz: Theranos Whistleblower on Fraud and Startup Governance in Silicon Valley
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(0:00) Intro (1:06) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (1:53) Start of interview. (2:37) Tyler's "origin story." (4:50) His beginnings at Theranos. (7:07) On the culture of the Theranos, "the company was extremely secretive and paranoid." (9:41) On the lack of equity compensation for Theranos employees. (10:32) O…
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75. Shuo Chen - Boards and the future: going plural, encouraging innovation, adding value to entrepreneurs, and preparing for the future of work
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Shuo Chen is an investor, board member and faculty member at IOVC, Stanford, UC Berkeley, EY, California Mental Health Commission, Google Female Founders, Reed Smith, Forbes China and Decode amongst others. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: How have you built your plural career? (2:36) How should board members be thinking about the future of work? (…
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Ilya Strebulaev: Venture Mindset Takeaways for Board Members.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:39) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:25) Start of interview. Reference to E21 with Ilya Strebulaev from October 2020. (4:01) On why he wrote his book The Venture Mindset: for decision makers in large organizations. (5:37) About the first principle: Home Runs Matter, Strikeouts Don’t. Make sm…
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74. Dominic Joseph - Boards for founders: how boards add the most value to high-growth companies
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Dominic Joseph co-founded Captify, the world’s second largest independent holder of search data, after Google. Now a plural NED and Chair of tech scale-ups, Dominic is also founding partner at Creative Capital Ventures Group, a growth consultancy for post Series-A companies. Tune in to his discussion with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings to hear his thou…
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The Family Toy Firm Playing the Long Game with Casdon’s MD, Phil Cassidy #88
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Dyson, DeLonghi, Kenwood - while the adults play with the real thing, Casdon’s decades-long mission has been inspiring joy through iconic toys. Role-play is such an inspiring part of kids’ childhoods, and at the head of the business bringing these visions to life is 3rd gen Managing Director, Phil Cassidy. Phil joins us on It Runs In The Family for…
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Greg LaBlanc: "It's Really Hard to be a Good Board Member"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:19) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:05) Start of interview. (2:58) Greg's "origin story." (5:31) His teaching focus. (8:04) Discussion on startups and venture capital and the era of AI. Behavioral finance and bubbles. (11:17) Bubbles in private (VC and PE) and public markets. (15:12) Stayin…
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73. Anne de Kerckhove - Technology boards: growth, nominations, the role of the SID and getting board roles
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Anne de Kerckhove is Chair of Eagle Eye Solutions, and SID & Committee Chair at 888 Holdings and Blackbird plc. Tune in to hear her thoughts on: How have your exec successes at SAAS scale-ups informed your non-exec work? (2:23) What are the key metrics boards need to focus on? (3:54) How much detail should boards ask for? (5:44) What do boards need…
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Jennifer Dulski: "To Join (Your First) Public Board, Someone Needs to Bet on You"
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(0:00) Intro. (1:21) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:08) Start of interview. (2:41) Jennifer's "origin story." (3:41) Founding a non-profit at the start of her career: Breakthrough Pittsburgh. (4:15) The start of her tech career with Yahoo! (7:12) Her roles post Yahoo!: founding and selling The Dealmap to G…
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72. Lord Charles Allen - The Chair-CEO dynamic: the most important relationship in the boardroom
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Lord Charles Allen, Baron Allen of Kensington, CBE, is Chair of Moelis & Co, Balfour Beatty Plc, Global Media & Entertainment Group, and The Invictus Games. Listen to his conversation with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings to hear his thoughts on: As a CEO and NED, what have you learnt from your Chairs which you now replicate as a Chair? (2:26) What are t…
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How to Build a Brand to Stand the Test of Time with Wagstaff Watches’ Peter Foster #87
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Wagstaff Watches’ Founder was many things; a countryman, farmer, and to the custodians over 100 years later, a passionate and inspiring watchmaker. Albert Wagstaff’s legacy is one which remains in safe hands, thanks to his grandson and great-grandsons, and it’s a joy to share a glimpse into this fascinating dynamic as we’re joined this week by Pete…
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Sonita Lontoh: On Board Culture, Innovation, and Creative Tension
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(0:00) Intro. (1:24) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:12) Start of interview. (4:04) Sonita's "origin story." (5:45) Her professional career, starting with a startup in the gaming industry. (8:15) Her guiding principles for her career at the intersection of innovation, sustainability and digital transformati…
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71. John Maltby - Chairing: getting the role, performing, and hiring your successor
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John Maltby is Chair of Allica Bank, Max Nicholas Renewables, and The West Brom Building Society and NED at Nordea. Listen to his conversation with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings to hear his responses to: Can you talk through your transition from CEO to Chair? (2:07) What bad Chair experiences did you learn from? (4:47) What did you do to prepare for t…
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Coco Brown: Founder & CEO of Athena Alliance on Board Opportunities and Governance.
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(0:00) Intro. (1:14) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel. (2:02) Start of interview. (2:37) Coco's "origin story." (4:32) Her professional background with HR, comp and IT. (6:32) Her time at Taos, a professional services business in IT consulting (17yrs). Ultimately acquired by IBM in 2021. (8:35) The origin story …
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70. Dawn Marriott - Chairing high-growth companies: getting the best from CEOs, investor-directors and NEDs
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Dawn Marriott is a partner at HG, a private equity firm, where she Chairs two portfolio companies. A serial PE Chair, Dawn is also a board member at Geomatikk and Aztecs, where she was formerly CEO. Tune in to Dawn’s conversation with Nurole CEO Oliver Cummings to hear her answers to: What’s the role of a Scale-Up Board? (2:21) As a Chair, do you h…
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