Journey into the underworld of American organized crime and the stories behind the rise and fall of the most notorious mobsters in history. From Charles “Lucky” Luciano and John Gotti, to Donnie Brasco, “Bugsy” Siegel and Dutch Schultz–Mafia explores the lives of our greatest gangsters and the cops and attorneys who worked to bring them down.
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In this episode, Lara and Nina wrap up the Bonded Vault series, discussing the fates of various characters involved in the heist and subsequent events. They delve into the lives of Jacob Tarzian, Robert Dussault, Joe Danese, John Ouimette, Ralph Byrnes, and Charles Flynn, highlighting their criminal activities, legal troubles, and the impact of their choices.…
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1 Bonded Vault - Part 3 - Love, Lies & Alibis 30:29
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In this episode, the hosts delve into the Bonded Vault heist trial, exploring more details of the robbery, the various players involved, and the courtroom dynamics that unfolded over the course of the trial. They discuss witness testimonies, the role of organized crime, and the eventual verdicts that led to life sentences for the convicted individuals. The conversation highlights the drama and intrigue surrounding one of the largest heists in U.S. history, providing insights into the motivations and actions of those involved.…
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1 Bonded Vault - Part 2 - Revenge by Robbery 2.0 27:22
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The Bonded Vault Heist: Revenge by Robbery 2.0 In this episode, the hosts discuss unresolved technical and logistical issues before diving into a listener comment about notorious criminals Anthony "Ponytail" Parillo and Dennis Roach. They explore the 1975 Bonded Vault heist in Providence, including key players like Robert 'the Deuce' Dussault, Chucky Flynn, and Jerry Tillinghast. The conversation covers personal anecdotes, Raymond Patriarca's parole, and the significant impact of the heist, highlighting how the theft of millions in cash, coins, and precious items was executed and its aftermath. Discussions also explore speculative connections, and mob dynamics in of one of history's most infamous heists.…
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1 Bonded Vault - Part 1 - Meet the Suspects 28:19
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Unraveling the Bonded Vault Heist: Background Stories and Intriguing Connections In this episode, the hosts discuss their nonstop technical difficulties before diving into listener questions about the Medford Mafia Induction Ceremony. The episode focuses on the backstories and criminal backgrounds of the heist participants, including Robert 'The Deuce' Dussault, Charles 'Chucky' Flynn, John and Walter Ouimette, Jerry Tillinghast, Joe 'The Dancer' Danese, Ralph 'Skippy' Byrnes, and Jacob Tarzian. The hosts also touch on related incidents and connections among the criminals, setting the stage for the subsequent episodes on the planning, execution, and aftermath of the heist. 00:00 Internet Woes and New Camera Excitement 00:54 Non-Mailbag Question: Shotgun Shells 01:48 Listener Question: Medford Mafia Induction Ceremony 03:22 Introducing the Bonded Vault Heist Series 04:13 Profiles of the Bonded Vault Participants 04:58 Robert 'The Deuce' Dussault's Criminal History 08:54 Charles 'Chucky' Flynn's Early Life and Crimes 12:40 John and Walter Ouimette: From Chauffeur's Sons to Criminals 15:13 Gerald 'Jerry' Tillinghast: From Pool Dives to Prison 16:45 Joe 'The Dancer' Danese: From Teen Delinquent to Heist Participant 24:06 Ralph 'Skippy' Byrnes: The Mysterious Member 24:46 Jacob Tarzian: The Armenian Connection…
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1 The Hit Parade of 1975: Mob Activity, Conspiracies, and Murders of 1975 48:28
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In their first full episode in two years, the hosts dive into a detailed recount of mob-related events and murders from 1975. The episode covers various crimes, including the deaths of Ben Tilley, Carmen "Gags" Gagliardi, Dickie Callei, Buffy Baccari, Eddie "Bulldog" Connors, and Tommy King. It also touches on notable incidents like the release of Raymond Patriarca, the failed car bombing of Mike Manfredi, and a house arson involving Andrew Manocchio. The hosts promise to follow up on unanswered questions and upcoming episodes, including a deep dive into the Bonded Vault heist next week. 00:00 Introduction and Comeback 00:55 Listener Questions and Conspiracy Theories 03:38 Pronunciation Woes and Personal Anecdotes 06:25 Technical Updates and 1975 Overview 07:08 Raymond Patriarca's Parole and Mob Activities 10:29 Carmen Gagliardi's Death and Historical Mob Hits 16:33 Rico Sacrimone's Murder and Boxing Connections 18:35 Rhode Island Murders and Informant Gossip 24:45 Federal Hill Neighborhood Corporation Scandal 25:38 The Abbey's Tap Gang and Italian Civil Rights League 29:05 The Murder of Callei 31:24 Buffy Baccari's Murder 37:22 Eddie Bulldog Connors Murder and the Heist 40:16 Andrew Manocchio's House Bombing 41:42 Unsolved Murders in Rhode Island 43:49 The Gold Dust Twins 45:43 Tommy King's Disappearance and Aftermath 47:37 Closing Remarks and Future Episodes…
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In this episode, the hosts return after a two-year hiatus and discuss the evolution of their podcast from its inception. They reminisce about their history, including how they met through Twitter in 2010, and the events that led them to start the podcast. The episode outlines their plans for the new season, including shorter, more relaxed episodes and incorporating a new mailbag segment. The hosts share their plans to cover organized crime history, and tease future topics such as mob activities leading up to the Gardner Museum heist. Wikitree Catalog Patriarca Crime Family Massachusetts Murder Victims Rhode Island Murder Victims…
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Over 130 murders were committed in Boston in 1974 with one day in mid January seeing three slayings in less than 16 hours. The year didn’t end much differently with two men being shot five minutes apart. We're highlighting many of those hits and a few others outside of the state, including Joe Schiavone in Rhode Island. Next week's episode will be dedicated to the Lady of the Dunes, and the following week will be The Hit Parade of 1975. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 A Tale of Two Thieves, Well Many Thieves 28:52
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We're back this with our favorite topic: bank robberies, armored truck heists and colorful characters! There are a few familiar names from last season, some new ones, and we journey a little bit outside of Massachusetts. Linked episodes: Prison Break! Joe Meet Joe The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight Hit Parade: 1970-1973 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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Frank Salemme passed away on December 13, 2022. This week's episode is a short tribute to his life along with a few perhaps lesser known stories. There will be much more to come about Frankie and his activities later this season. Next week, we’ll be looking at the bank robberies of the 1970s. Linked Episodes: Dottie Barchard Bonus , The Boys of Winter Hill The Defense Never Rests Dying to be Made Finding Frankie Salemme's Congressional testimony. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Not Your Average Joe: Joseph JR Russo & Some North End Tales 26:11
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Mafia hitman JR Russo makes his debut as Jerry Angiulo returns for hijinks on the high seas. The Nite Lite They're After Me Like a F***ing Animal The Hit Parade of 1966 The Hit Parade; 1970-1973 The Defense Never Rests Joe Meet Joe For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Joe Meet Joe: Joseph Barboza - Part 3 - The Final Act 40:44
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"Here he was, with all kinds of evidence against him in a death penalty case, and he acted like he was in small claims court. He wasn't concerned at all." Joe Barboza goes on trial for the murder of Clay Wilson. But his three favorite Feds -- Harrington, Rico and Condon -- come to Barboza's rescue once again, saving him from death row. Dying to be Made Teddy Deegan 1 Teddy Deegan 2 Teddy Deegan 3 As the Coin-O-Matic Turns The Hit Parade of 1965 The Hit Parade of 1966 They're After Me Jack's Justice - Part 3 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 California Dreaming - Joseph Barboza - Part 2 34:47
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"Tell Denny [Condon] I still love him.... if Rico was here, he'd help me." --August 1970 letter from Joe Barboza to Walter Barnes. Joe Barboza is back. After perjuring himself at the FBI's behest, Barboza is shipped off to California. But he just can't stay away from Massachusetts and makes multiple trips back home until he's finally arrested in New Bedford in July 1970. And the Feds' cases begin to fall apart. Dying to be Made Teddy Deegan 1 Teddy Deegan 2 Teddy Deegan 3 As the Coin-O-Matic Turns The Hit Parade of 1965 The Hit Parade of 1966 They're After Me Jack's Justice - Part 3 Note: Look for the end of Barboza's life and criminal career next week. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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The first part of the 1970s saw the beginnings of a new gang war in Boston as Winter Hill began to cement their position in the underworld hierarchy. This week we take you from the 1970 murder of Tommy Ballou to the demise of Spike O'Toole and ending with the execution of Indian Al Notarangeli in February of 1974. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Finding Frankie Salemme - The 1972 Arrest 34:32
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Frank Salemme, Stephen Flemmi and Peter Poulos take off on SA Rico's instructions. Back home in Boston, Detective Billy Stuart & Hugh Shields go on trial for the 1967 murder of Billy Bennett. Three years later, Salemme is apprehended in NYC, goes on trial for the 1968 Fitzgerald car bombing and is convicted. But Flemmi is free to go. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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Vinnie Teresa followed Jack Kelley into the Witness Protection Program. But Vinnie had a secret: he'd already been an FBI informant for over a decade. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Jack's Justice - Part 3: The Trials Continue 37:01
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Jack Kelley’s justice didn’t end with the first Marfeo Melei murder trial. This week Jack testifies for the government at the VA Robbery trial, and the 1968 Brinks trial. Richie takes the stand and helps to save Jerry Angiulo from a prison sentence. And Raymond Patriarca’s defense introduces a new witness who dishes out some revenge of his own. Jack's Justice - Part 1 Jack's Justice - Part 2 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 The Gaslight - Part 2: The Marfeo/Melei Murder Trial 32:33
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The Marfeo-Melei murder trial finally begins, and Jack Kelley takes the stand. Raymond Patriarca has his chance to confront Jack! We finally reveal what happened to SA Gerard Comen. And Nina has a big announcement! Disorganized Crime - Raymond Patriarca the Early Days Jack's Justice - Part 1 Jack's Justice - Part 2 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Jack's Justice - Part 2: Richie's Disinformation Campaign 26:28
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With Jack Kelley tucked away under Federal protection, Richie's disinformation campaign begins in earnest. Former FBI Agent turned defense attorney, John B. Green interviews the FBI's informants about Jack, as the defense tries to build their case in the Marfeo/Melei double homicide case with the trial date set to start in January 1970. Disorganized Crime - Raymond Patriarca the Early Days Jack's Justice - Part 1 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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Where in the world is Louis Manocchio? We travel from Rhode Island to Martha's Vineyard to Venezuela to the ski slopes of Idaho and France along with the FBI searching for Louis. Jack's Justice - Part 1 New York State of Mind - Part 2 As the Coin-O-Matic Turns For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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Mello Merlino, Stevie Flemmi, Peter Poulos, Frankie Salemme and Frank Vendi all go on the lam. A new FBI Top Echelon Informant is placed on the books. And SA Rico recruits Robert Daddieco to further his case to Hoover and Tolson for a job transfer to the sunny beaches of Miami. Jack Goes Bad - Part 1 The Bennett Brothers Murders Family Feud the Hill -Part 2 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Jack's Justice - Part 1 - The First Round of Arrests 29:13
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Welcome back to the first episode of Season Two. Pro Lerner, Bobby Fairbrothers, John E Rossi and Rudy Sciarra are all arrested on charges stemming from the 1968 double homicide of Rudy Marfeo and Anthony Melei. Richie and SA Rico implement their plan to get Rico transferred to the sunny beaches of Florida. We need more YouTube subscribers! Subscribe and share here: https://www.youtube.com/c/DoubleDealPodcast…
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1 Jack Goes Bad - Part 2 - Words are Weapons 34:40
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After his first arrest & conviction in 1954, Jack Kelley vowed he'd never go back to prison. When the walls started closing in a little over a decade later, he implemented his escape plan. In our final episode of the season, Jack uses Richie's FBI connection to H. Paul Rico to begin exacting his revenge on the men who burned him. Episode 43 Episode 46 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Jack Goes Bad - Part 1 - Revenge by Robbery 30:21
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Jack Kelley's criminal career begins to fall apart and he's forced to make a decision that will change his life, and those of his companions, forever. But Jack wasn't a victim. If he was being forced into retirement, he'd go out on his own terms and exact his own justice on the way. Episode 39 Episode 12 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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fugazi · 1. Artificial, fake. Something that has no substance. · 2. A really bad knockoff, a copy. Mafia fiction writer extraordinaire Vinnie Teresa's testimony exposed the Boston mafia's participation in stolen and fake bond schemes up and down the Eastern seaboard. Episode 10 Episode 28 Episode 37 Episode 38 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 New York State of Mind - Part 2- Nicky Bianco & Butchie Miceli 31:51
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Butchie Miceli and Nicky Bianco were both originally from New England, but ended up members of two New York families, the Colombos and the Gambinos. Bianco maintained his close relationship with Raymond Patriarca for decades, eventually taking over in the 1970s when Raymond was sent to prison. Butchie Miceli moved to New Jersey in the early 1960s and became Joe Paterno's driver and enforcer. But he too maintained ties with New England, including with Lara's dad, Richie. Episode 28 For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 Gaslit - The Gangland Slayings of Rudy Marfeo & Anthony Melei 24:15
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Was it all really over a dice game? On April 20, 1968, Rudy Marfeo and Anthony Melei where gunned down by two masked men while grocery shopping. A well-known story in the New England area, but many don’t remember that there was more than one murder trial and more than one set of convictions. Episode 42 Wikitree Gangsters For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 As the Coin-O-Matic Turns - Federal Hill 1966 - Willie Marfeo & Angelo Di Palma Hits - Plus a Little Louis Manocchio 26:54
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On July 13, 1966, Willie Marfeo was murdered in a telephone booth in the Federal Hill section of Providence. His murder has never been solved. We discuss the events leading up to his murder and its aftermath. Happy Birthday to Louis Manocchio who turns 95 this week! For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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The 1960s were wild times in Boston. With a gang war playing out in the background, there must have been a bit of a wild west feel in the air between the amazing bank and armored car heists pulled off by Jack Kelley and his crew and the equally amazing failures that others attempted to pull off. 1968 was especially busy and many of the suspects from that year have popped up in the 1990 Gardner Museum Heist investigation. For a transcript of this episode visit our website . Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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1 The Bennett Brothers Murders - Edward, Walter & William 27:43
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In 1967 all three Bennett brothers were murdered. Only Billy Bennett's body was ever found. Frank Salemme and Stevie Flemmi claim responsibility for the slayings of all three, but have never been able to provide the location of Wimpy and Walter's bodies. They are still missing to this day. Episode 3 Episode 7 Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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Jack Kelley returns to court for only the second time in his three decade criminal career. But this time he's determined not to return to prison. Episode 2 Episode 17 Episode 26 Episode 35 Episode 36 Episode 37 Follow us on Twitter for sneak peeks of upcoming episodes. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook . Questions or comments, email lara@doubledealpodcast.com or nina@doubledealpodcast.com Donate to Lara and Nina…
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