Season 6 Episode 1: Debating a Pro-DeSantis Dem/Ben Fong on the History of the CIO (Podcast Version)

Give Them An Argument

We're baaaaack!
In the first GTAA episode of 2024, host Ben Burgis debates op-ed columnist Will Cooper, a liberal Democrat who nevertheless thinks that Ron DeSantis is more "competent" than Biden or Trump. Ben wrote a Jacobin article a while back responding to Will and arguing that this zany take is an extreme symptom of a much larger problem with mainstream technocratic liberalism. Caucus night in Iowa seemed like an excellent time to revisit the argument!
Before that, we talk about Ben's run-in with Red Scare host Dasha Nekrasova and a few other interesting developments that happened while we've been off the air. At the end of the main show, Damage magazine editor Benjamin Fong talks about his fascinating new limited-series podcast on the history of the CIO. And in the postgame for patrons, we have some fun with Alex Jones's appearance on the Jimmy Dore show.
Read Will's original op-ed ("A Democrat's Case for DeSantis"):
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/06/18/democrats-case-for-desantis/
Read Ben's response ("Why Are Liberals' Constantly Fixated on 'Competence' Instead of Politics?"):
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/06/18/democrats-case-for-desantis/
https://jacobin.com/2023/06/liberals-competence-democrats-ron-desantis-biden-trump-presidential-election-2024
Check out Ben (Fong)'s new show ("Organize the Unorganized"):
https://shows.acast.com/619be5c0705138001b9c8479/episodes/659337cd906c7e0016284aaa?
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