Peter - Uncomfortably Fresh Therapy - Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 008

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in today's episode I sit down with my

good friend peter dinh we both attended

UC Davis at the same time and have been

friends and training partners ever since

meeting he currently works as an

associate marriage and family therapist

in Sacramento California helping all

sorts of folks in the area please enjoy

the episode what's up Peter how you

doing thanks for having me over

yeah I know I haven't seen you a minute

at least since I've got married yeah

active would you say that you're in the

like scale of one to ten ten being like

you're the other one throwing all the

Silverbacks or something like that like

what level involvement you think you are

there it's in the breaking scene yeah oh

dang dude it's low it's probably below

five okay but I don't think that's a

good thing but I think it's just kind of

how my life has put me because I'm like

older at this point I've you know I mean

when I was young

let's say 18 there wasn't really anybody

my age now 32 that was really still in

the scene maybe like a few people very

few handful now that I'm this age

there's a lot more of us all right um

but I guess and I don't know why that is

but I think maybe it comes from being

the whole community being a little more

connected through social media and

whatnot yeah but um I guess being being

used to that and I guess being at the

age where there's you got a lot of stuff

going on in your life breaking some

release the breaking scene kind of takes

a backseat to a lot of that stuff not

that breaking is not a big part of my

life because I go and practice very

religiously all the time and but I treat

it more as like therapy exercise and a

way to stay in shape and a way to like

really stretch my creative mind rather

than

trained my skills to like be the best

and battle everybody and so I've always

yeah I've always treated breaking as

like this kind of mental exercise to

kind of fix all the holes in my life in

a way I mean there's obviously holes in

everybody's life all over the place

and me as a as an engineer someone who

works in in in that kind of world you

stretch your brain completely

differently then then as a creative

dancer and so the holes that that leaves

in me breaking always fills and it it

obviously feels a lot more than that too

I mean if my if my job was to break I

would need something to fill in the

holes which you know academics

engineering mathematics stuff like that

yeah nerdy type of stuff that fills in

those holes and so I think it's a good

marriage of of activities yeah um but

but anyway so I've always used braking

as kind of like a therapeutic exercise

and that's a lot of why I wanted to talk

to you because I think there's a lot of

therapy in using creative endeavors to

to heal and maybe maintain your mental

relationship or you know I don't know

your your health yeah I would definitely

agree with that what I noticed what

breaking I use it for some similar

things you say some of - and I love this

word I know you know I have to say that

all day breaking grounds me for anyone

that breaks it that also refers to

ground power yeah yeah but um in the

sense where would tell me a few things

you know about mindfulness again I guess

whatever you know well I guess what's

your definition of mindfulness I guess

that you're going forward yeah so let me

hear yours like one thing you know about

mindfulness is

mmm I mean uh probably the first thing

that comes to mind would be say without

saying mindfulness is uh being aware of

something and yeah I guess keeping it in

the forefront of your brain yeah yeah

being being aware of what's going on

right now many times like or I can

imagine people being stuck in their

minds breaking in life where I gotta do

this I gotta do this damn I don't have

this man when I was younger

I'm used to could do this blah blah blah

or later I can't wait till I have this

and when I'm breaking I don't have time

for that because I have to be present or

else what do we say we used to practice

that David hey just just don't die like

a stick that or you'll probably die like

I know I know that was extreme of us to

say it but it made sense and it made you

go for the gusto though yeah it made you

go for the gusto and then it it it put

me in a position where I had to be if

not a hundred percent like 90 is it's

the high 190s percentile that's that's

high eighty ninety per se in those

higher higher percentiles of awareness

and where awareness is awareness in the

body like in in my practice many people

come in clients come in and they're in

their minds yeah or their minds are

thinking over thinking I got to do this

again I have to do this I'm not doing

this I want to be this well when you're

in your body you can only be aware of

how things taste so if you eat shit when

you crash your move oh you know what

that tastes like

my wrist so my wrists and shoulders feel

a lot of pain so being cognizant of ooh

that hurts my wrist

my shoulder let's not do that let's ease

that how can I do that more effectively

music that sound right away look I have

to be present is there a beat there do I

want to be offbeat like you making all

these choices so we talked about hearing

so far we talked about our our what do

you call touch Oh touch I yeah we're

about touch and then you worry about

sight your dusters like your spatial

awareness right we're battling who are

about who do we see where do I see my

foot in relation to in my chest my

everything so that's on that's that's

three senses I don't know how you fit

taste in taste in but maybe it may be

the taste of victory I don't know and

then so I'm what's the last one let's

see we have sight and smell yeah you

smell them stink ass yeah because

because you you know when we stress we

do to stress sweat yeah yeah you're like

oh yeah yeah so maybe tason's 1000

aren't exactly in there but yeah what's

therapeutic what can be therapy about it

is you have to be present mm-hmm it

takes you out of your mind so that

that's that's yeah beauty products

actually one thing I think this connects

to this is uh it was something that poll

one told me was uh that the reason he

likes the word b-boy is because you're

letting your inner child come out to

play you're not a B man even if you're

you know I think what how old is he 40

something yeah he's he's a man but he's

not a B man he's a b-boy because he's

taking himself out of his adult

responsibilities and saying let my inner

child come out to play oh and that's my

god that's what kind of like helps him

kind of patch up everything in his life

I think and that's think that's really

interesting and and it's about being

novel right like you find the and who

find things novel kids yeah oh my gosh

if these boys be girls Oh

that was amazing no you know this kind

of ties into like a lot of the work that

Vince does Vince being my brother um who

has his YouTube channel he teaches in

everything a lot of the people he

teaches are like special-needs kids yeah

and some of the most interesting things

that he says is that a lot of these kids

you know they got troubled lives in

whatever a lot of difficulties at home

and stuff and they can easily go down a

bad path without the right you know

mentors around them and he finds that

some of the most interesting thing that

happened is he he lets them just be kids

in his classes he's like you know here's

here's what breaking is here's some

music to dance to here's some moves I'm

showing you the tools how to do it now

here I'm gonna play some music you guys

go on that side these guys go on this

side and you guys are gonna battle and

just have fun don't worry don't think

too much about it if you want to try and

move do it if you want to do a new move

do it if you don't want to do any of

those moves and do something else just

go for it let your inner child play and

they're out there doing that having the

time of their lives and then he says

they go home and he's finding that a lot

of their home life is kind of being

solved by that in a way a lot of a lot

of things at home still need to get

fixed but at least the difficulties that

they're carrying over into school that's

making them maybe not do so well in

school those things are getting solved

because they they're there they're

having a great time coming to school

because they know that not only are they

gonna learn a lot they're also gonna get

to play let their inner child play - and

it encouraged for them to do that it's

encouraged to let their creativity come

out um let's listen like mess up - it

lets the mess up yeah yeah I think we're

like I don't really like this and

they're practicing your voice over

because when you're in a dance floor

you're constantly making choice you know

and yeah I think so I think failure

creativity are all very tied together

and I think kids learning failure or

and understanding that failure is not as

bad as people make it out to be

eventually a good thing and it's a

necessary part of the possibility to

learn it so yes necessary part of the

process is a good skill to learn and

what do you know they're not learning it

through anything else at school or

traditional school they're learning is

through breakdancing yeah because lay

what they're do playing yeah exactly

they're coming to school playing and

being encouraged to let let their mind

wander let that body wander to cool new

dimensions that they didn't know existed

and they're encouraged to do that and

when they fall down you know one of the

cool things about braking is you a lot

of moves come from falling down yeah oh

like oh man I fell down but it kind of

looked cool let me do that so it doesn't

hurt next time yeah so then you do that

and you're like well yeah I fell and

learned a new move now I don't and it

teaches them how to reflect on that

skill like okay that hurt this joke

actually with people cuz they asked me

you know you got an interesting style

what do you call it

and I I always thought that that was a

dumb question but then I actually

started goofing around and making a joke

about it and saying I call it flopping

cuz it's like taking your flops and

flowing with them and essentially I've

just built my whole style from that oh

yeah I mean hopefully it doesn't all

look like a flop but it's like you're

still in my book and whoever well

because when you're at Davis we

nicknamed you the ultimate flopper I

don't know if you ever remember that but

yeah you're the oats me a flopper like

err flops

he went for an air flare he didn't hit

it but he didn't crash and it was like

but and then you do that and then you

turned it into a different move and then

you just kind of went with it now it's

its own moves yeah no you do it enough

and then people recognize that that's

what he does and then you keep training

and actually learn how to air flare and

now you got two moves you got that air

flop and the air flare yeah I got two

moves and it all came from

letting your mind wander and also hard

work so yeah the spirit of play man like

yeah I can't stress that enough and I

also understand how scary it is though

it is scary it's like too playful yeah

and then well us as adults I mean I

can't speak urged as an adult yeah -

well yet to fail

yes discourage as an adult I mean I

think a lot of the adult world is set up

to discourage creativity yeah go to work

and you go oh I want to do I want to try

something new no stick by the book it's

more efficient it's more profitable to

do it yeah it's tried-and-true when it's

not true that's crazy yeah and and in a

way the business model works well with

that yeah but I think it also damages

which are us personnel yeah yeah people

doing the job it does us real quick

dulls you yeah yeah whereas your

creativity lets you use your knowledge -

dude cool new things and like maybe gain

a better understanding of stuff I mean

like I said my style is built from

flopping and flowing out of it flowing

from flopping yeah and and by I guess by

doing that I was I think it's it's like

I'm in Courage I'm encouraging myself to

explore yeah things and then build

something yeah exploration man that's

what that's that's why - whoever came to

us and stuff there right just explore

the frontiers and we're exploring the

frontiers of our bodies or our minds now

it's going super vague but it make it

make sense it makes sense do with the

adult world you said earlier that um

when we were younger there weren't many

people past 30 that were breaking like

yeah yeah how is that like what goes on

through your mind when you're thinking

that we got like Morris gravity us like

just still going whether or not we're

competing but there's we're still going

our practice still this is the call

those guys from Japan and their 40s

still hitting like the craziest power

like I think it's because of raising

dude breaking is I mean it obviously

it's an art form but along with art

forms come yet the the quest to express

yourself and that is deeply rooted in us

as human beings this is something that

we've always I think you get to an age

and you're like oh I don't necessarily

want to compete anymore but I also can't

get away from this thing because it's it

provides this outlet that I need in my

life

as a as therapy ER you know or yeah it's

it's just it's part of my life to really

like keep my life together and I mean I

can't imagine myself not breaking mm-hmm

you know if I wasn't breaking there'd be

a lot of holes to fill I'm yeah cuz you

know I like I love moving around and

stuff so I need to have something that

fills that hole I need something that

fills my creativity hole yeah maybe it's

painting or making music or whatever but

yeah I mean the I think breaking

beautifully like collects all that stuff

together yeah you keep mentioning things

about holes and so that got me wondering

what is breaking filling for me exactly

I wanted to say something like

creativity because honestly that sounds

fucking cool and now thinking about it

because I practices first I think of it

as discipline for myself because yeah

yeah cuz yeah some martial art dude it

really is I mean like what's it I don't

actually know nothing of them Martin

martial art I don't really know the

definition of that

I don't even know what Marshall means I

think it comes from like military oh

yeah I mean cuz it's it's like combat

okay and it's I guess it's the art of

combat really but when you select I mean

I'm kind of I'm I'm not saying martial

art as if it really is one but it's so

damn similar yeah like it takes

discipline it takes practice and well I

know when I go to practice there's

there's a few sets and sometimes I

haven't said I just go there and I just

practice my power moves like just and

sometimes I don't do combos and like

right now the last three months I mean

or however long we talked to jihad and I

talked to Alex and I'm only training my

flares that's it and then knowing that

I'm going in there and doing that over

and over and over I know there's people

that come to me like you hope you can

get so much better you're doing this

doing this and then it's giving me the

Opera

to practice and doing the same thing

over and over and over is giving me the

opportunity to one show myself that I am

able to discipline myself show myself

that when someone comes over and I

respect them and say hey yo Peter you

should do this to be a better b-boy and

then I can say no I'm yeah yeah I'm

practicing saying no and doing and it

also gives me a chance to give a fuck

about what I want to give a fuck about

cuz yeah we don't have that many fucks

to give no it's a it's a finite amount

to find out about everyone and you lose

more and more every year yeah I mean

it's a finite amount of like again

yeah only gives say five every day yeah

and then you only have a limited amount

of days so it's yeah it's ticking down

so really I mean I really I think

calling it a fuck is funny but think of

that as like currency yeah you have a

bank yeah and it doesn't get really

replenished that much currency it's fun

yeah the currency of the flux of giving

fucks yeah dude like yeah yeah like you

just gave me the the visualization that

when I was younger I have so many I give

a fuck about so many thing and all those

fucks the font is times

Rowman and as the years went by the

amount of fucks decreased and the font

got cooler so I went a little bit too

comics says the militant gothic now I

now I think I'm at like Arial black like

it's simple but not too simple as still

a little a little professional you said

it's a little professional is a little

fun that wasn't my idea by the way that

was that I think Marc Manson the subtle

art of not giving a fuck I just oh yeah

yeah yeah it's a funny book dude yeah no

I want to read that book yes I said it

to you what was I going to say yes so I

used to do martial arts a long time ago

I did Taekwondo for about ten years

before I ever braked and one of the

reasons I stopped doing that I mean I

always loved it but I got to a point

where it felt like such a thing where

everyone was telling me what I needed to

do what I have to do huh and that was

when I and I used to skateboard I mean

which you know that the world of

skateboarding is very like anti

everything like do whatever account

included well yeah it's counterculture

it's and I always was really drawn to

that but it it didn't quite fill all the

voids for me and then when I found

breaking I was like this fills every

void for me and it's very counterculture

it's encouraged to do whatever the hell

I want and so where martial arts was

failing me a little bit Breaking filled

that void and this was before I think

mixed martial arts was really up in the

scene because I know mixed martial arts

now they're like okay now what yeah is

effective and I think that's more so

what I wanted to go towards but I think

breaking offered me a lot of creativity

because it was just like now I'm coming

into a world where there's a move you

know like say I just crashed and made it

in

I said all that crash kind of looks cool

let me try to make it yeah and I just

keep working at it practicing it

practicing it and now it's a move that

never existed before yeah so it created

this let me make it made me let me make

stuff much like how painting is yeah but

it's an active thing where I can get out

that freaking like you know young man

aggression out onto something and so it

really filled in all the holes for me

and that's what drew me to it and so

like once I found it and I found the

group of people I wanted to do it with I

was just like do you I don't know if I

can keep doing martial arts because this

is what I want to do is breaking this is

a this is the real martial art from me

yeah it's you know I mean I was never

too into fighting always like you know I

always thought that violence was not so

good but I liked martial arts because it

at least teaches you how to handle a

situation yeah but for the for the most

part I don't want it I don't want it to

even go to that point I don't want to

get violent and so when I saw breaking I

was like you know what this is giving

you that combat relationship in a battle

but you're not throwing hands at people

no one's in danger I mean obviously back

in the day there used to be some

situations where people were fighting

and stuff but I don't encourage that but

I think having a competitiveness between

two people or two groups of people is a

good thing to have it provided that for

me yeah that's what I was drawn to and

so like I just kept going with it and

I'm still in love with it as I was back

then yeah I'm not so into the scene as I

was before and that's you know obviously

because I have different things in my

life and I'm a I can't dedicate as much

time to competing in whatever your

relationship to breaking has off to

another city evolved to something else

yeah but very much so my love for it is

the same yeah in fact it's bigger yeah

it's a it's a more nuanced to love now

yeah I guess it's not so once one

variable anymore like when

when anyone I mean I noticed when I

think Jordan Peterson said it anyone can

make an argument from one variable I

love breaking because it's this mmm I

love breaking because it's this but

there's multiple variables yeah when you

get to the point where you're like oh my

gosh I hate it I love it

breaking makes me sad it also makes me

happy it turns me on turns me off breaks

me up teaches me things

teach me bad things and bad habits but

it's all of that like there is not

there's lots of things to tweak in it

it's it's a multivariate thing as as is

many things in life and also everything

everything and everything and everything

worth doing is probably like that yeah

and then to be able to step back and go

whoa

as much as long as we've we've been in

this dance for like over a decade

already approaching to decade yeah yeah

oh okay thanks for making me feel dated

anyway oh yeah I'll try to be all like

how you are with it I don't really count

years but then somebody asked me

recently like how long I've been

breaking I was like and you just give my

age but yeah right and then I started

counting like dude it's like almost 20

years yeah for me it's 15 inch 15 16 is

it no dude cuz I didn't start really

until 2002 2001 so like I came toys you

know cuz that's like I started and I was

around 50 so it's like I mean I'm 30 I'm

33 hold it

it's like 17 18 years you know just like

I'm trying to keep myself young alright

no holy crap yeah it's 1780 yeah we

started around the same time yeah

oh my gosh right but I think y'all the

same thing that happened to me when I

was like oh you haven't braking like ten

years in the like way no that doesn't

make any sense

no that still doesn't make any sense oh

my god it's like not too many years off

of 20 like it really is it oh my god

yeah yeah you know and I'm not trying to

say that we're some kind of old geezers

I still feel when people say like oh

you're old school I'm like no I'm middle

school of anything and I stay there like

just that's it I'm just me I'm not

trying to be an OG and I mean in a way

I'm not even like looking for respect

really I've always just wanted to do it

yeah that's just and that's where the

respect comes from yeah like I have my I

have my ideas about breaking but it

again when I notice with like with my

crew uncomfortably fresh whatever we

talk about it's it can be connected to

breaking but we focus on life skills if

when you practice

are you disciplined when you're entering

jams or you doing a move is it

intentional can you reflect back and

think about what you said earlier occur

its effectiveness and then when you

think about effectiveness what thing is

that what are you trying to be effective

at for me personally it's I think it's

effective when things don't hurt like

it's an age thing for me I know some

people say eight like I don't think

about age age age is just a number I I

can understand where it's coming from

that no matter how old you get you can

do things I also believe in balance and

I need to I need to know the limitations

of age so I can effectively do what I

want to do I can't just Huck and chuck

anymore now I have to I have to rely on

angles way more than I have said before

like it's taught you how to be more

precise with it

yes very that's what I've learned yeah

I've always thought of myself as

somewhat precise but it wasn't till Mike

more recently that like because of all

these injuries I've gathered through

through my life it makes it hard to do a

lot of stuff and it forced me to really

like think of every little position that

I'm putting my knees my elbows my

shoulders so that I don't injure myself

and so what I found myself doing is

running through all the moves I have

slowly mm-hmm feck ting every angle then

doing it a little bit faster doing it a

little faster and then you know kind of

like doing it at

the speed is supposed to be at and just

being very mindful of that and over the

years of just doing that building habits

about that it's helped me really um in

better precision and fine-tuned

fine-tuned yet you are now a high-end

yeah you're not not some one of my

friends um Joey chaotic I know I know

yeah I was practicing with him it was

like hope we used to go but he called me

a ninja he's like do you brake silently

you do because you slip and slide yeah

it's like I slide around and I'm I've

always been very like careful about

where I'm putting my foot very

intentional yeah very intentional and I

didn't really notice that until he said

that and I was like oh yeah and actually

that's the thing that I've really been

working on not to be silent but to be

precise and the silence kind of came

with that yes I thought it was really

funny that's when you know you do it

effectively because look at trickers

there's there some that's like boom boom

boom triple but then some years like

you're like dude is he not floating is

he not punching the ground because how

the hell's he gain that much height he's

just learned to hone his like motor

maybe yeah he has that gravity belt on

maybe he took off his 23 pound ankle

weights or whatever he came from the

future where they have actual gravity

belts and just came to the pass and was

like I'm gonna yeah he has like he has

helium has helium suppository pills in

his ass yeah and then it was like oh

shoot I'm going too high so he'll

squeeze his ass little whorish pink

there so pop one dude like like on those

things about doing things are past

superhuman limits I know someone at

there are some of that practice at

dynasty and I respect what he says it's

really awesome you mentioned things

about like um no limits like there's no

limits to the human this and that and

this and that I respect that view when

someone says we have no limits

I also see a side where there's a beauty

to limits because like the other day

with like or latter time me you and live

extent and when you know your limit you

get creative and the prime the prime

example I news and I know not everyone

gets it but I think you might the Super

Nintendo that is Mike that my go to they

are only 16-bit if it's anything else

because someone correct me they only

16-bit the PlayStation came out while

Super Nintendo was there and they and

whoever is working to Super Nintendo

sweat no I want to push it I want to

push it and what happened Donkey Kong

Country came out killer instinct came

out how the hell did they manage to get

3d onto a cartridge they added a chip

into the cartridge that's cool and it's

not true 3d but and they were able to

find a way to mimic 3d like that's where

I think to creativity okay not to

creativity I think a a high level of

creativity and come from when you are

holed into another one

Iron Man when he built his mark one suit

he didn't have shit right in the movie

he was just good and because it was in

the hole he figured out something truly

amazing because you only had you had to

get creative but what was at hand and

then with your injuries you said I gotta

get creative I learned backspin because

of a torn meniscus yeah I couldn't do

anything and I was like yeah I was all

sad and stuff and then I just like laid

on my back it was like well this doesn't

hurt and I just started like spinning

around okay I remember that time is crap

cuz that time way you're practicing back

spins was the time that I tore my

rotator cuff and Ivan I never had like

legit windmills cuz I was all flare

flare stuff yeah and then you got back

smooth I got windmills I was like dude

like we gotta get creative I need to

spin no I need to spin I think the

limitations when you embrace them it

almost gets rid of the limit yeah

through the limitations you surpassed

that limit it's it's it's when you

remove the limitation you think well I

don't have anywhere to go

you're aimless or not I mean you you

respect it it's like you recognize it

and you go I respect that and so let me

find this way around it in a creative

way

but I'm selecting it it's there like you

know I can't it's something that I have

no control over I'm going to do every

I'm still gonna do what I'm gonna do but

I'm respecting it it's there yeah and

every time you get close you push it a

little you're like oh we're pushing it

you're pushing yourself yeah so so maybe

when someone says no limits you know

what they're essentially saying the same

thing it's a more simplified version and

it makes sense like to to get your point

across like what we're talking about

like earlier about selling a pitch we

got to keep it simple we got to keep the

details out so when someone maybe told

me no limits that's the basic form of it

but when we write our 10 page then we go

into all this so yeah we're all saying

the same thing man like living yesterday

when he was saying you just gotta find

his passion he's gotta find his passion

so that he can yeah yeah something like

that and I was saying value and then I

was like remember the thing I said about

communication 65% by language 35%

delivery and then 7% content that's what

communication is composed of yeah it was

communication composed up and me and Liv

except he said passion I say value but

we knew what we meant because of the

delivery like we didn't need to correct

each other yeah yeah like we got to a

point like hey we're saying the same

thing it is got five more minutes left

man how you want to end this when do our

e-learning yeah what so can you explain

what a real a real learning is okay sure

so in my practice I usually end my

therapeutic sessions with a realer

it's a way to just summarize consolidate

everything that you've talked about in

the last hour hour-and-a-half in our

sessions and a gif it helps give you

something to walk away with it keeps it

reasonable it keeps it manageable cuz

sometimes when you talk for an hour two

hours it's a lot of content you're like

how can I remember all that

bye and this is this is a type of

meditation to is its type of mindfulness

it hones in on what's important at the

time and I give choices cuz you know we

need a little bit choices and anyone can

do this you can do this at home it's a

it's an option anyone wants to try it

it's a very short form of therapy

I mean meditation you just start with

one thing I learned or one thing I

relearned or if that's too hard one

thing I noticed and you start with one

thing it doesn't have to be the thing

that stuck out the most it doesn't have

to be the most important thing it's just

one thing Kurt you want to try it out

first okay how about we both do it I'll

do mine and then you do yours sounds

good

start by saying it you're in your mind

right now let's get into your body start

by saying one thing I one thing I

learned

is where creativity comes from and that

helped me way and that helped me align

align my life to be more creative thanks

for that one thing I learned about

myself today about what breaking

actually means to me is the discipline

and knowing that I didn't use breaking

one of the reasons and use breaking as a

form of discipline is I feel like I lack

and or need it in some areas and by

practicing it and breaking it just

spills over into other areas and I and I

only noticed that after our talk today

so that's pretty nuts yeah yeah I can

second that for sure I want to change

mine here we go okay I'll counter I'll

cosign that okay we can cosign yeah and

then the another way that I end session

in addition to the learning now we even

consolidate even more Kurt you said it

beautifully when we had coffee this

morning when you're like breaking you

want to make a sentence like there's a

topic there's a whatever everything in

there then you realized hey sometimes

you can just say a word you write an

essay you read a story sometimes they

just write a word damn that's one word

yes oh yes unless this ends today's

thing with the a word what's your word

man

have two words but I'm trying to

condense it into one but I don't know if

that word exists hey Unni create one hey

you're new it that you can create it you

can hyphenate it it's up to you you got

choice man it's your choice continued

learning with a hyphen in the middle

continue learning continually mine is

transparent transparent I see thanks man

thanks for having me yeah yeah thanks

for being here this was good dude

yeah no I think we learned a lot and

this is kind of why I wanted to create

this show is to like document

conversations like this natural

conversations about things that we care

about and you know things that we learn

from and help others maybe learn from it

too hopefully hopefully people out there

got something from this conversation as

I think we both did yeah man thanks a

lot for that no thank you thank you yeah

all right thanks guys

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