Mary Katharine Ham | Tucker and Lemon, Leaving CNN, Keeping Perspective

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Mary Katharine Ham, co-host of the Getting Hammered podcast and former contributor to CNN and Fox News, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon getting fired this week, the future of media, Jeffrey Toobin, Jeff Zucker and the old CNN regime, leaving CNN and getting "quiet suspended," the value of talking with people who disagree with us, the screwy incentives and penalties in the media, her prescient book on the left's censorship instincts, fighting "cancel culture" with "cancel culture," how social media broke our brains, the importance of raising children in keeping perspective, how kids are animating our politics today, her news consumption diet, college football and NIL and availability of sports gambling, and more.

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